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who should i vote for (president), and why should i do so. give me your thoughts/feeling/arguments (good or bad, doesn't matter).

i asking this because i am curious what people think, and what influences thier political thought.

i don't plan on critiqueing reasons or opinions here.

vote NO for president

*sigh*
when the time is right, i will send instructions...

something that interests me as well is peoples tendency to not talk about politics, as though it is something of faith and belief rather than facts, something you can't logically explain to others, or reasonably expect others to understand.

but if politics are to matter in a positive manner, the opposite must be true.

it disturbs me greatly.

i talk politics all the time and now have a chance to teach it. here's a link to something:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26057405/

Oh my god! So the way that I am feeling now is that unless the majority of voters are racist or fundamentalist Christian and scared that Obama might be a Muslim sleeper cell unto himself, McCain doesn't stand a chance! All of his recent attacks on Obama seem to be from a position of someone losing.

he has a 7ish pt lead right now. pretty good. but we'll see.

I'm using my new mac right now. Don't like it. It's the G4 iBook and it can eat my ass.

mac is the fisher price of computing science.


I would rather use a TI-85

Mine makes anti-Semetic remarks.

Mine is wonderful and caring, a constant companion through thick and thin. it devotes its own life to making mine better. It only tells me what I want to hear, and shows me what I want to see, it ties up all the other loose ends and confusing techno-babble all by itself.
I love my Mac and loves me back...and it showed me boobie and I liked those too.

Oh, and Cheyne...you're voting for Obama

As I am one of the people who don't like talking about politics I will make an effort here. The cons of both of the main candidates (to me) are that they are politicians (a big negative) and are pro illegal immigrant amnesty which I am against.

Mc Caine: For death penalty and the war, has a semi-plausible tax reform plan, for insurance for uninsured children, and (this a personal joy) less gun control but far stricter punishment for people who abuse their second amendemnt rights, prolife.

Obama: anti-death penalty and the war, unhappy with current tax and debt, for expanding medicare coverage, more gun control, prochoice

As both candidates are beating the drum about energy reform, and as I am sick of people whining over their extra dollar in gas, I haven't bothered with adressing the issue.

I found it difficult to track down political viewpoints of the candidates so I put in what I know, here is the main site I am pulling from and I can't find the other I was looking at a few weeks ago:

http://www.yournextpresident.net/thefacts.php

Below is how and why I am voting, if you don't want to be coated with my views (they tend to stain and are hard to wash out) read no further. : )

Both candidates hold views that I agree with, but some that I don't, so picking one is difficult for me, and being limited to only one of these two as viable candidates is irritating. As I feel there is more flexibility in what will happen in gun control than in abortion laws for the next decade, and as I don't feel that Obama has had enough time in politics (Just because I have worked at a hospital for a year or two doesn't mean I'm ready to run it, and I feel the same for presidential candidates) I am going with Mc Cain. For some reason this immediatly makes me some kind of racist. I love the way this occurs with people, the political views of a person don't matter, all that matters is the appearance of a person now, and if you disagree you are a sexist/racist ect. If Mc Cain was a black woman with the same political view I would be voting for him/her, if Obama was a white guy or an asian transexual dwarf, I still wouldn't vote for him with his current political views. This is just me of course.

There you go Cheyene, hope it spurs debate.

I wanted to put up a separate post about why people do, or do not talk politics.
For me, and I assume for others, its not that the choices we make aren't based in logic or that they can't be understood, its that many people can't just discuss a topic. People, to me, seem to feel that politics should be adressed as a right or wrong kind of issue. I think our dual party system contributes to that. If we had 5 parties and picked 2 candidates to run a dual presidency it might be easier to discuss who's views you prefer, but the way we are set up makes it so you are pro-democrat, and thus anti-republican, or pro-Obama and as such must be anti-McCain. This mind set seems to cause discussions to rapidly degenerate to a schoolyard arguement that plays out "Your for Obama but I'm for McCain, I want my candidate in office, and you want your's, I'm right and your wrong, your a doodie head and I'm taking my toys and going home." I know this may be a strong exaggeration, but political arguements seem to get very heated, especially if candidate race is injected (and it usually is) and no one likes to hear they picked the 'wrong' candidate. This, I think, leads to people just ignoring the topic, or laughing it off with some witty phrase. Just my two cents on the issue.

i don't think that race is quite as big an issue as everyone is making it out to be. actually, i think hillary defused that bomb, as everyone cared a hell of a lot more about her being a (gasP!) woman, than about obama being black.

i think people should be able to talk politics, and religion, without a fist/emotion fight ensuing. and i think what you said about political discusion is right angela, however i do think that people get defensive of their position, and emotionally tied to their candidates, and that people also often relegate political thought to opinionland, where, in their mind, nothing can be proven so why bother.

thank you for your answers, and hopefuly more people will speak.

The only thing I can really contribute here is that I truly feel that voting is all but pointless. I watched the first Bush election, payed attention, had an opinion, and voted, but what happened. Bush was voted into office because certain key individuals wanted him there.

I will never, for as long as I live, believe that George W. Bush was voted into office through a valid electoral process. The man belongs in jail along with everyone else that runs in his little cabal. That election was accomplished through illegal under the table politics, and that to me sum up our political machine quiet nicely.

Perhaps the reason people vote 'religiously' or based on some 'instinct' about a candidate, is because its the only thing that lets them latch on to the electorial process as an institution. Having 'faith' in ones choice of candidate is just a coping mechanism, just like belief in a higher power. It gives one a way to take something outside ones control and rationalize it. Because ultimately the election of the president in this country is not decided by the masses.

My experience with our election process has left me with little real hope that my opinion means anything, and voting based on principle or whatever is just a waste of time, because I would argue that 'principles' are all but dead as an idiology (they were killed by instant gratifaction, and buried in apathy's backyard). No, I don't pay attention to politics any more, I don't really care about peoples opinions regarding such things, and I think that people who actually believe their voice matters are just naive.

I don't believe apathy is an answer, and I am not in fact apathetic towards these problems, I just don't see any solutions. So really its a question of causing myself unnneccessary stress over problems to which I have no solution, or just living a life without worrying about those things.

I guess my actual point is that you shouldn't worry about it. Vote if you want I don't care, but don't don't turn that decision into something it isn't, and don't for a second believe that casting a ballet means you've accomplished anything.